Lowlife pond scum

[Tink]

Katie found out this weekend that her BF... and babies dad... has 2 other girlfriends.
So she called us in tears, packed up her stuff and is moving out. She has all her clothes back here, but we need to find a pick up to haul her furniture and such.

I would like to geld him so he doesn't do this to anyone else. Both the girls he's messing around with are younger than Katie and SHE's only 19! I'd get banned if I wrote what I'm really thinking of him right now; but I think you can all figure it out pretty close.

She's staying here again until she decides where she wants to go.

[AngieDoogles]

Oh Tink, I am so sorry to hear this. My heart is just breaking for poor Katie. What a JERK that guy is! I'll be praying for you and Katie and the little baby. :(

[Marilyn]

How horrible!! What a jerk!!! Katie must be soooo upset. Thank goodness she has you to help her through all of this!!

[rivermom]

Oh Tink - I'm sorry for how hurt your daughter must be right now. This must be so very hard for her. It has got to be so comforting to her that she can lean on you right now.

Hoping that in a few days she will realize that maybe it's best she found out this type of behavior from her bf now before she was too far down that road with him.

[DianaB]

Oh, how awful :( I'm sure that your daughter is very upset. Just when you thought that everything was looking up for her and now this. I'll keep your daughter in my prayers.

[Janet]

Oh Tink what a dreadful thing to have happen. With him having TWO girlfriends...didn't she suspect anything at all? I hope he gets gangrene in his shorts for what he's done to Katie!! Thank God she has a wonderful mother to help get her through this.


Tink, she may want to tell her Dr. that the a$$hole has two girlfriends in case he needs to check her for anything before the baby comes.

[Tink]

Janet, she's suspected for about 2 weeks, and didn't want to believe it or make accusations she had no proof of. On Friday she actually talked with one of the girls; who was very open about it. The girl knew Katie and he were living together, have a baby on the way, and couldn't have cared less. She said she "didn't want him... it was just physical"... as if that's supposed to make it acceptable?

It reminds me SO much of my first marriage... with a jerk who started cheating right away and up till I divorced him. I'm probably having as bad a reaction to this as Katie is 'cause it's just brought all that back with a vengeance and I'd love to get downright physical with the guy myself; but not in a way he'd enjoy! I've made sure he got a message from me that if he EVER shows his face at my door I will remove it from his head and send what's left right back behind bars.

Mama bear is pissed.

[Janet]

Good for you Tink. It is so hard to take when someone messes with our babies!! They just better be ready for what coming....that's all I can say. Sure wish we knew Lorena Bobbit's (isn't that her name?) phone number....LOL

[Tink]

Janet, I would love to hire Lorena Bobbit right now... or Dr Phil.

Katie has gone BACK to Josh and claims she trusts him not to do it again and that they're planning a wonderful long term life together. Her and I had a long talk tonight and I totally told her how I feel about it and how scared I am for her... and she informed me it's her decision to make and she's HAPPY with him.
If that's happy I'm blind.

Then later tonight Doug (who just moved out of here 6 weeks ago) called me. He said he'd talked with Katie last night and she told him a secret that I'm not supposed to know. Josh had told her if she leaves him he will make sure no other man gets near her... That he will "see to it". :mad:

So now I suspect she's afraid to leave and afraid that if Greg and I know we will try to force her to get out. Doug had offered her to move in with him for a while to get away and decide what she wants to do, and she said Josh would never allow it. I haven't told anyone else this... really don't even know where to start... if she won't admit it to me, it's hard to know how to approach it. I have to be careful not to alienate her or she's gonna feel like she has NO where to turn.

I am truly scared for her right now. She's in too deep and needs to get out. But that can't happen if she's running scared.

I plan to contact my other dd as she and Katie are pretty close and see if she can try to talk to her. She lives in Minnesota and Josh isn't allowed out of Wisconsin... so if she could get Katie to stay with her for a bit (Which she has offered her several times) if he so much as showed up there he could be arrested for violating parole. Also, my oldest has worked in psych hospitals as a nurse so knows a lot of self defense techniques that can pin and restrain a man much larger and more powerful than herself.
At least she'd be safer there.

Please say a prayer for her... she's gonna need all the help she can get.

[DianaB]

Oh, Tink, that's scary! I hate that Katie doesn't feel that she can confide how scared she is to you. I sure hope that your other daughter can talk to her. She sure needs someone right now to help her. Keep us posted and I'll be saying prayers for her.

[Janet]

I'm so sorry Katie is going through this and sorry, for now that you can only watch. I know I would take that young man aside and tell him in no uncertain terms the way it is and the way it will be (my husband wouldn't have the guts).

I will keep you ALL in my prayers. I hope Katie will listen to her sister. If you can just get her away from him for a little while so that maybe she can see things a bit clearer it will help. Sometimes it makes it worse.

Prayers are headed your way Tink, as always.

[AngieDoogles]

Oh my goodness, what a scary situation! I am so sorry Tink. I will keep Katie and your family in my prayers. I know it's already your plan, but please PLEASE do whatever it takes to get her out of there. He does not sound safe or stable.

[Tink]

Thanks everyone.
Katie started having cramps this afternoon so went to ER. Thank God her and the baby are fine. She has a bladder infection so was given meds, and is on her way home. Josh took off work to take her in, but his car is a real piece of junk with BAD brakes, so I offered them mine. The hospital is about an hr away in a fairly large city, so it would have been unsafe to drive his car there.

Katie came in for the keys and he waited outside. Once they got done with the Dr, she called me to give me the news, and tell me they're now on their way back here.
I know it's so hard for her that I'm not allowing Josh to come in... but so far they're listening to my advice that he stay away.

I was So worried that all this stress was going to cause her problems in her pregnancy. This was a real scare.

[Forgivenmom5]

Tink my prayers are with you and Katie. It is so hard to watch your child in a situation you know is bad and can't do anything. I know people can change but my experience is that someone this controlling just gets worse. I hope Katie gets out of there and is very careful.

[Marilyn]

Tink, I hope and pray that this all works out safely and very soon!!!!!! Thoughts of concern and prayers are with you all.

[DianaB]

Thanks everyone.
Katie started having cramps this afternoon so went to ER. Thank God her and the baby are fine. She has a bladder infection so was given meds, and is on her way home. Josh took off work to take her in, but his car is a real piece of junk with BAD brakes, so I offered them mine. The hospital is about an hr away in a fairly large city, so it would have been unsafe to drive his car there.

Katie came in for the keys and he waited outside. Once they got done with the Dr, she called me to give me the news, and tell me they're now on their way back here.
I know it's so hard for her that I'm not allowing Josh to come in... but so far they're listening to my advice that he stay away.

I was So worried that all this stress was going to cause her problems in her pregnancy. This was a real scare.

Tink, I'm glad that Katie wasn't in labor and that the baby's alright. What a scare! Still praying about the situation!

[Janet]

Oh wow, I just saw this. Thank you God for keeping Katie and the baby safe. I hope things get better for Katie and soon. She seems to be a smart young lady..so it may just be a matter of time for her and Josh.

[judy]

Oh Tink - my heart goes out to you and to Katie. You know I have had similar issues
and understand how it is to have to stand on the edge of a cliff, not being able to say anything, while you watch your daughter falling off that edge. I will be praying for all of you and am going to light a candle for Katie's situation now.

[Gina]

Tink I am sorry to hear what is going on with Katie and Josh. I hope that God will shed some light and lead your daughter in the right direction. Being a mom it hurts to sit back and not say anything. My prayers are with you.

[Tink]

I decided today to do some research into our "problem persons" criminal history. I knew we weren't dealing with Mother Theresa, but even I was surprised at what I found. This is all between 1999 to 2005! Anything from before he was 18 doesn't show in public records... so that's not even included.

We knew about one prison sentence... there have been three. 12 months twice, and 18 months the 3rd time.
Plus a few local jail stays of up to 6 months at a time.

1 Assault by Prisoner- while in correctional facility- felony
1 Bail Jumping-felony
4 counts of battery
8 counts of Disorderly Conduct
1 Retail Theft
1 Substantial Battery-Intend Bodily Harm Felony
1 Take and Drive Vehicle w/o Consent Felony
1 Trespass to land

[Marilyn]

Oh, Tink, you've got to get her away from him somehow. Is there a women's crisis shelter nearby? Perhaps she could stay there for a while. I don't really know the solution, just want you to know you and all involved are in my prayers.

[Janet]

Tink, does Katie know ALL this? I think it's time you sit down with Katie, not as a mother, but as an older, wiser person and ask her if this is the kind of example she wants for her child(ren). She needs to think long and hard about situations that are so similiar to hers. It will be easier for her to get out now instead of waiting. He obviously has no respect for her if the other two 'friends' were involved. All I can do is pray for her Tink...and you know I will. Is there a Pastor or someone else that will come talk with her?

[DianaB]

Tink, that's scary to think of all the trouble he's been in with the law! Katie needs to be informed of the situation and make some decisions. Not just for her but for her baby as well.

[judy]

Pond scum is a good name. I hope Katie is not deluding herself because she wants the "happily ever after" she thought she was getting. There's also the problem of pregnancy hormones.

Point being, Tink, be patient and kind to her because it has been my experience that they only see what they want when they want. After she has the baby, God willing, he may just take off.

[Tink]

Thanks ladies.
With his record being what it is, it looks like the only time he's kept from getting into more trouble is when he's been incarcerated... and he even managed to mess up there! So I'm expecting he will get sent away again... it's only a matter of time... and I really pray Katie isn't his next battery target.

I'd be surprised if Katie doesn't know most of it. she has a fascination for checking people out on the circuit court site... andthat's where I got all this info on him. I'm not sure she'd take the time to sit and sift through it all like I did, but it's available to her if she chooses to. Shannon and Joel are going to try to talk with her about this and see if she's aware that he's been in THIS deep. Hopefully she will listen to them more than to me. They too are really scared for her.

[judy]

Katie better not be his next target! What a skanky little cowardly creep he is. Hopefully, the responsibility of a baby will send him running before any damage is done to her.

[Janet]

LOLOL....don't hold back Judy...say what you mean....:sidesplit:

[judy]

You're right Janet! Let's all jump on that magic bus and grab his skanky little butt and escort him out of the country for good!

[Marilyn]

Maybe we need to have our meetup in Rural Wisconsin!!!!

[Tink]

I'd help you all kidnap her and sneak her away... at least with you ladies I know she's be safe and hearing the voices of reason!

[Janet]

You're right Janet! Let's all jump on that magic bus and grab his skanky little butt and escort him out of the country for good!



skanky little butt I love it...and Diana liked MY phrases...LOL.

I'm game with kidnapping either one....personally I'd like to kidnap 'him' with Judy. Bet he'd be reformed in no time...lolol

[judy]

Can you imagine the look on that boy's face after we talk him to death? Boys do not like women talking to them or invading their space.

So....here's the plan - we'll get 2 stools and a low chair on the bus. We'll each sit on a stool, arms crossed, really close to him, and take turns on lecturing him for about 8 hours while he hovers on his little chair. We can walk behind him too while we're talking. That should freak him out.

Then we make him buy his freedom! We'll take him straight to Canada. It's cold there and he'll be really unhappy.

We never have to lay a hand on him!

[Marilyn]

I like Tinks idea, too. Let's kidnap Katie and talk some reason into her!!!

While Janet and Judy are working on him, the rest of us will take care of Katie!!! She won't want anything to do with him and he'll be frozen in Canada.

Sounds like a plan to me!!!

[judy]

I like Tinks idea, too. Let's kidnap Katie and talk some reason into her!!!

While Janet and Judy are working on him, the rest of us will take care of Katie!!! She won't want anything to do with him and he'll be frozen in Canada.

Sounds like a plan to me!!!


I'm on board! Great plan Marilyn! We'd have it all covered in two minor kidnappings.

[Tink]

And you'll SO get by with it... 'cause no one will report either of them missing! I can see to that. ;)

Can you believe she has tried to come up with reasons the past 2 days whey he should be allowed "just this one time" to come back in my house? I said no both times. :mad:

I confronted her this morning about his criminal record. She DID know.. or at least claims to have. She said he's served 7 yrs total... he just turned 27 in December! So given that he's spent most of his adult years locked up I really expect him to end up back there before long. Seems he gets out just long enough to mess up and be convicted again.
She tried to tell me that he only gets in fights when he's drunk in a bar... So I asked her what time cocktail hr starts in prison since he'd assaulted a guard.

She's SO sure he'd never hurt her... I told her I'm not convinced and that's my biggest worry right now.

[Janet]

Maybe you should invite him over Tink. Then leave something valuable out so he can see it. The minute you see it missing call the cops.
That should put him away for a few months so Katie can get more of her mother's influence...lol

[judy]

I like that idea Janet!

What do you think Tink?

[DianaB]

I like Tinks idea, too. Let's kidnap Katie and talk some reason into her!!!

While Janet and Judy are working on him, the rest of us will take care of Katie!!! She won't want anything to do with him and he'll be frozen in Canada.

Sounds like a plan to me!!!

You can't leave me out of all of this!!!! If you're going to kidnap someone I want to be in on it!!! I can drive the car!!! But I have to say that I like Marilyn's idea!!! Does anyone have a tazer handy for Janet and Judy to use????

[Tink]

Oh man... don't tempt me! lol

[judy]

You can't leave me out of all of this!!!! If you're going to kidnap someone I want to be in on it!!! I can drive the car!!! But I have to say that I like Marilyn's idea!!! Does anyone have a tazer handy for Janet and Judy to use????


Okay! You drive the Katie kidnapping car. Janet and I will deal with Swamp Thing.
A tazer aimed at his family jewels -hmmmm!

[DianaB]

Okay! You drive the Katie kidnapping car. Janet and I will deal with Swamp Thing.
A tazer aimed at his family jewels -hmmmm!

That should do it!!! We still need to find a tazer. Judy, can you mug a cop? Or a judge!!!!!!!

[judy]

That should do it!!! We still need to find a tazer. Judy, can you mug a cop? Or a judge!!!!!!!


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I will never live that down, huh?

[Tink]

Katie and Josh just left with my car to go have her ultra Sound done. So in a few hrs I hope to know the gender of her baby. :) I was supposed to have gone with, but last night I got a virus and today feel like crap, so opted to stay home rather than subject myself to dealing with him when I'm already not feeling good.

I have yet to speak to him since he pulled his stupidity, and am in no rush to. I let them take my car today because his brakes are very bad and I don't want my dd and grandchild at risk. They're going into a city of about 60,000 people, so will most likely need decent brakes along the way.

Today was the first time I'd let him in the house... and I made a point to stay in a different room so I wouldn't have to see him.

[judy]

Dear Tink,

I'm so sorry you're going through this. It is very exciting though that we'll know the baby's sex!

Post as soon as you can please.:D

[Tink]

Well it seems the baby is just as contrary and sneaky as it's parents. LOL They couldn't get a good view to see what gender the baby is! Everything they could see looks good and normal thank God. They said she's 17 weeks and 3 days along so is due July 29. Katie was let down about not learning the babies gender... and depressed by the due date which is the exact day a very close friend died just 2 yrs ago. :( Sad that that was the first thing that came to her mind when they gave her the date.

So she came back in a depressed mood. :(

[judy]

Maybe it'll show it's little "privates" next tim

It might make Katie feel better if you suggested that her friend is watching over her and the baby.I did that for my stepmother. My Dad had died just under a year before Mackenzie was born on my stepmother's birthday. I called her and told her that my Dad had sent her a gift - her first great grandchild. She told everyone that, and it made here really feel that he did!

[Janet]

What a beautiful thing for you to do Judy. Tell Katie what a great way honor her friends memory. Another thing..unless it is a scheduled C-section..how often are babies, especially first born, are born on the due date?

[judy]

Thanks Janet. I don't know the stats, but I doubt if it's that often.

It doesn't have to be that actually born on her due date, it will be close enough, I'm sure. I was a week late with Jessie.

[DianaB]

What a beautiful thing for you to do Judy. Tell Katie what a great way honor her friends memory. Another thing..unless it is a scheduled C-section..how often are babies, especially first born, are born on the due date?

That's what I was thinking too. Babies aren't necessarily born on their due date so I wouldn't worry about it too much. You just can't let things like that get you down. There is probably 100 other dates that have memories associated with them too but every day is a new day. Too bad that you didn't find out if the baby is a boy or a girl. I guess that he/she wants to be a surprise!!!!!!

[Janet]

Has she told you any names she may be thinking of yet? I know it's early, but some expectant moms have had their child's name picked out when they were 12 years old.

[CoyoteQueen]

Just reading this, and I hope everything works out for your daughter. I know this has to be so hard for you.