We did attend martial counseling. It was by a wonderful man who was going to perform our big ceremony for us. We became very close to him. He felt like a grandfather & guiding light to us both. He said that he felt very close to us as well because his son had been murdered just before meeting us. He had lost touch with his spirituality and we gave him a reason to find it again. This is one reason we have trouble bringing ourselves to have our big ceremony. We lost Dillard in August of 04. He was a wonderful man who held on to life long enough to get his son's autospy report & give him a proper burial. 3 weeks after doing so Dilly passed away. He had a shop in a city near us. When you walk into it you can still feel his presence. We still keep in touch with his wife who is a wonderful lady. She sent our daughter a ring when she was born & said it was a gift from her & Dilly. We haven't made it out to see her in a couple of months. I'm glad I saw this thread. I am now making plans to go for a visit next week.