Another option to consider

Tink · 07-07-2007, 10:48 PM

Since I know we have a lot of dog lovers here, I thought you all might be able to help me make a decision.

My lab ladies are registered, vet checked, good breeding quality dogs. I got them with the intention of breeding them with my standard poodle. They are both in good condition to be bred according to my vet. The chcolate has just come into heat. I have someone who has contacted me wanting me to allow his yellow lab male to breed her and let him have pick of the litter male pup for the breeding. His dog is very nice with good lines, etc. It is getting up in age and he wants a pup to raise with the male so that it can have as much of his influence as possible.

IF I agree to this, I will have purebred lab pups to sell. Both parents have good lines, are nice dogs in good health, with good hips, and so on. So that really isn't an issue. Because of her age, I only plan to breed the chocolate probably twice. I won't breed her more than once a yr because they have 8- 12 pups per litter as a rule and it takes a lot out of them to carry and nurse so many. I do NOT want to become a puppy mill type breeder. I would likely keep a female pup out of the litter to raise for future breeding stock.

What holds me back is that there are always a lot of lab litters being advertised around here. I don't want to add to what might already be a glutt of labs in the area, although they do seem to sell. Labradoodles are quite rare here and from what I've learned, are in demand. I am confident I could find them good homes rather quickly and at a higher price than the labs, but naturally I couldn't save a pup for future breeding since it would be a daughter of my male.

The owner of the lab male happened to be visiting one of my neighbors and saw my lab girls, which is how he found out about them. He really liked my chocolate, so made me this proposition.
So in my position what would you do?

highlans · 07-08-2007, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tink

Since I know we have a lot of dog lovers here, I thought you all might be able to help me make a decision.

My lab ladies are registered, vet checked, good breeding quality dogs. I got them with the intention of breeding them with my standard poodle. They are both in good condition to be bred according to my vet. The chcolate has just come into heat. I have someone who has contacted me wanting me to allow his yellow lab male to breed her and let him have pick of the litter male pup for the breeding. His dog is very nice with good lines, etc. It is getting up in age and he wants a pup to raise with the male so that it can have as much of his influence as possible.

IF I agree to this, I will have purebred lab pups to sell. Both parents have good lines, are nice dogs in good health, with good hips, and so on. So that really isn't an issue. Because of her age, I only plan to breed the chocolate probably twice. I won't breed her more than once a yr because they have 8- 12 pups per litter as a rule and it takes a lot out of them to carry and nurse so many. I do NOT want to become a puppy mill type breeder. I would likely keep a female pup out of the litter to raise for future breeding stock.

What holds me back is that there are always a lot of lab litters being advertised around here. I don't want to add to what might already be a glutt of labs in the area, although they do seem to sell. Labradoodles are quite rare here and from what I've learned, are in demand. I am confident I could find them good homes rather quickly and at a higher price than the labs, but naturally I couldn't save a pup for future breeding since it would be a daughter of my male.

The owner of the lab male happened to be visiting one of my neighbors and saw my lab girls, which is how he found out about them. He really liked my chocolate, so made me this proposition.
So in my position what would you do?

If his lab has a good line then looking long term to breed from his now will allow you to have a younger female for future Labradoodle breeding. One good turn ect so in future you may want to use one of his dogs, and as you say if the labs do sell and yours will be the best I am sure then go for it.

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Janet · 07-08-2007, 03:03 AM

I would probably check with your local shelter and a few in neighboring counties. Do they have quite a few labs or lab mixes? If so, that would make be really think twice about okaying his request. Just something to consider. They may be selling well, but are they ending up in a shelter?

I know in our county and neighboring counties there are labs galore in the shelters. I don't understand it...they are beautiful, easy to train dogs.

07-08-2007, 04:02 AM

That's really a hard call...........guess only you can decided but I think I might go with the breeding the pure labs. It is a very popular dog where I live. You would surely get one out of the litter for you breeding purposes. But at the same time, if the lab/poodle mix is in higher demand, you would be more likely to find good homes for them and you can always find a male to breed your labs with later. May cost you more to breed at that time but if that is truly something you want to do, then just pay a stud fee. I would still to your original plan.

judy · 07-08-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janet

I would probably check with your local shelter and a few in neighboring counties. Do they have quite a few labs or lab mixes? If so, that would make be really think twice about okaying his request. Just something to consider. They may be selling well, but are they ending up in a shelter?

I know in our county and neighboring counties there are labs galore in the shelters. I don't understand it...they are beautiful, easy to train dogs.

Very good idea!

AngieDoogles · 07-08-2007, 08:22 AM

That's a tough one Tink. I agree that you should check the local shelter to get an idea if labs are ending up there or not, but at the same time, I think it would be in the best interest of your future breeding to use this other lab this time. Having a young female with good lines to breed with your male in the future would great for you if you intend to do this long term. Good luck!

Tink · 07-08-2007, 02:50 PM

OMG
The decision has been made for me. Greg was out moving the girls because in this heat he wanted them to be in a spot that got more of a breeze... ds didn't know she's in heat, so he let moses in with the girls unsupervised. Greg had gone to the garage to get something and when he came back Moses and Montana were doing what dogs do. So it looks like we'll be having Labradoodles this time around.

Tink · 07-08-2007, 04:15 PM

I just found out that BOTH the females are in heat. The woman I got them from said the black one had just been in heat and might possibly be bred by a lab... so imagine my shock when I just discovered the black and Moses "connected".

I'm stunned. I had no clue, and suddenly I could have 2 litters on the way at the same time which is NOT what I'd planned at all! Oh man... What have I gotten myself into?

judy · 07-08-2007, 05:02 PM

Oh man... What have I gotten myself into?

A mess of puppies! Take a deep breath. You're getting the fence up and you thought you could kick back for a while, didn't you?

Nah! Keep repeating to yourself "puppies are so cute, puppies are so cute, PUPPIES ARE SO CUTE."

Tink · 07-08-2007, 05:45 PM

I checked one of the local city newspapers and found 14 of the 25 ads for pups were for LABS! Another had 7 Lab ads out of 68... A bigger paper had 143 dog ads of which 12 were for Labs.
In All, I found one ad for a litter of 6 labradoodle puppies and that was in Minnesota.

The local humane societies have several purebred labs, and many they are calling lab mixes available for adoption. I didn't find a single labradoodle in a pound within a 60 mile radius.
I feel much better about this now... There's obviously a much lower number of doodles than labs on the market.

Still the idea of 2 litters on the same day is a bit overwhelming.

judy · 07-09-2007, 05:52 AM

That's great news. Who's going to be around to help you deliver the babies?
I wish I could be there!

DianaB · 07-09-2007, 08:15 AM

Oh, Tink, you're going to have your hands full!!!!! So sorry!!

Tink · 07-09-2007, 12:03 PM

I'm not so worried about the deliveries as I am taking care of that many pups from 3- 8 weeks of age! I've been in on deliveries where I've had to pull pups, and such before. My EMT background also helps so I'm not too worried about that. Being a poodle, Moses is considerably narrower than the females are, so that too should help as far as delivery.

What I dread is if they both have medium- large litters; trying to keep the areas clean and having enough time to properly socialize and handle the pups. With 2 litters I could easily have 16 - 24 pups to take care of! That's a lot of poop and puddles... lol I'd love to be able to borrow help for that time frame. Hopefully if I put out the word that I need help cuddling and playing with puppies I'll be able to get some volunteers.

Marilyn · 07-09-2007, 06:32 PM

Oh my, Tink. You will have your hands full if both have pups. A lady we used to know well, is a lab breeder. She had quite a time keeping up with her litters and lost some pups in bad weather. However, she had hers in a kennel setup in the very back of her yard. I always felt sorry her dogs because they seemed to crave attention whenever I was there & they were too large for her to let them out when people were over. They'd knock you down.

AngieDoogles · 07-09-2007, 07:34 PM

WOW! How scary and exciting! Good luck keeping up with all those pups Tink!

07-07-2007, 10:48 PM	#1
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	Another option to consider Since I know we have a lot of dog lovers here, I thought you all might be able to help me make a decision. My lab ladies are registered, vet checked, good breeding quality dogs. I got them with the intention of breeding them with my standard poodle. They are both in good condition to be bred according to my vet. The chcolate has just come into heat. I have someone who has contacted me wanting me to allow his yellow lab male to breed her and let him have pick of the litter male pup for the breeding. His dog is very nice with good lines, etc. It is getting up in age and he wants a pup to raise with the male so that it can have as much of his influence as possible. IF I agree to this, I will have purebred lab pups to sell. Both parents have good lines, are nice dogs in good health, with good hips, and so on. So that really isn't an issue. Because of her age, I only plan to breed the chocolate probably twice. I won't breed her more than once a yr because they have 8- 12 pups per litter as a rule and it takes a lot out of them to carry and nurse so many. I do NOT want to become a puppy mill type breeder. I would likely keep a female pup out of the litter to raise for future breeding stock. What holds me back is that there are always a lot of lab litters being advertised around here. I don't want to add to what might already be a glutt of labs in the area, although they do seem to sell. Labradoodles are quite rare here and from what I've learned, are in demand. I am confident I could find them good homes rather quickly and at a higher price than the labs, but naturally I couldn't save a pup for future breeding since it would be a daughter of my male. The owner of the lab male happened to be visiting one of my neighbors and saw my lab girls, which is how he found out about them. He really liked my chocolate, so made me this proposition. So in my position what would you do? __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair' Last edited by Tink; 07-07-2007 at 10:50 PM.

07-08-2007, 03:03 AM	#3
Janet Moderator Donating 4WT 18K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: INDIANA Posts: 21,624	I would probably check with your local shelter and a few in neighboring counties. Do they have quite a few labs or lab mixes? If so, that would make be really think twice about okaying his request. Just something to consider. They may be selling well, but are they ending up in a shelter? I know in our county and neighboring counties there are labs galore in the shelters. I don't understand it...they are beautiful, easy to train dogs. __________________ To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. ECCLESIASTES 3:1

07-08-2007, 08:22 AM	#6
AngieDoogles Donating 4WT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,509	That's a tough one Tink. I agree that you should check the local shelter to get an idea if labs are ending up there or not, but at the same time, I think it would be in the best interest of your future breeding to use this other lab this time. Having a young female with good lines to breed with your male in the future would great for you if you intend to do this long term. Good luck! __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~MT

07-08-2007, 02:50 PM	#7
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	OMG The decision has been made for me. Greg was out moving the girls because in this heat he wanted them to be in a spot that got more of a breeze... ds didn't know she's in heat, so he let moses in with the girls unsupervised. Greg had gone to the garage to get something and when he came back Moses and Montana were doing what dogs do. So it looks like we'll be having Labradoodles this time around. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

07-08-2007, 04:15 PM	#8
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	I just found out that BOTH the females are in heat. The woman I got them from said the black one had just been in heat and might possibly be bred by a lab... so imagine my shock when I just discovered the black and Moses "connected". I'm stunned. I had no clue, and suddenly I could have 2 litters on the way at the same time which is NOT what I'd planned at all! Oh man... What have I gotten myself into? __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

07-08-2007, 04:02 AM	#4
Morkie4 Guest Posts: n/a	That's really a hard call...........guess only you can decided but I think I might go with the breeding the pure labs. It is a very popular dog where I live. You would surely get one out of the litter for you breeding purposes. But at the same time, if the lab/poodle mix is in higher demand, you would be more likely to find good homes for them and you can always find a male to breed your labs with later. May cost you more to breed at that time but if that is truly something you want to do, then just pay a stud fee. I would still to your original plan.

07-08-2007, 05:02 PM	#9
judy Donating 4WT Yakker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver, NY Posts: 8,097	Oh man... What have I gotten myself into? A mess of puppies! Take a deep breath. You're getting the fence up and you thought you could kick back for a while, didn't you? Nah! Keep repeating to yourself "puppies are so cute, puppies are so cute, PUPPIES ARE SO CUTE." __________________ *Judy*

07-08-2007, 05:45 PM	#10
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	I checked one of the local city newspapers and found 14 of the 25 ads for pups were for LABS! Another had 7 Lab ads out of 68... A bigger paper had 143 dog ads of which 12 were for Labs. In All, I found one ad for a litter of 6 labradoodle puppies and that was in Minnesota. The local humane societies have several purebred labs, and many they are calling lab mixes available for adoption. I didn't find a single labradoodle in a pound within a 60 mile radius. I feel much better about this now... There's obviously a much lower number of doodles than labs on the market. Still the idea of 2 litters on the same day is a bit overwhelming. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

07-09-2007, 05:52 AM	#11
judy Donating 4WT Yakker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Denver, NY Posts: 8,097	That's great news. Who's going to be around to help you deliver the babies? I wish I could be there! __________________ *Judy*

07-09-2007, 08:15 AM	#12
DianaB Moderator Donating 4WT 13K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 16,069	Oh, Tink, you're going to have your hands full!!!!! So sorry!! __________________ ´¨) ¸.•´¸.•´¨) ¸.•*¨) (¸.•´ (¸.•` ¤ Diana Baker ✞ You and I are friends....... Always remember that if you fall I will pick you up...... After I stop laughing!!!

07-09-2007, 12:03 PM	#13
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	I'm not so worried about the deliveries as I am taking care of that many pups from 3- 8 weeks of age! I've been in on deliveries where I've had to pull pups, and such before. My EMT background also helps so I'm not too worried about that. Being a poodle, Moses is considerably narrower than the females are, so that too should help as far as delivery. What I dread is if they both have medium- large litters; trying to keep the areas clean and having enough time to properly socialize and handle the pups. With 2 litters I could easily have 16 - 24 pups to take care of! That's a lot of poop and puddles... lol I'd love to be able to borrow help for that time frame. Hopefully if I put out the word that I need help cuddling and playing with puppies I'll be able to get some volunteers. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

07-09-2007, 06:32 PM	#14
Marilyn Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 4,907	Oh my, Tink. You will have your hands full if both have pups. A lady we used to know well, is a lab breeder. She had quite a time keeping up with her litters and lost some pups in bad weather. However, she had hers in a kennel setup in the very back of her yard. I always felt sorry her dogs because they seemed to crave attention whenever I was there & they were too large for her to let them out when people were over. They'd knock you down. __________________ Marilyn If anyone would like a free Bible Study CD or book entitled "Searching for Truth", PM me with your mailing address and I'll send you one. "And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." John 8:32

07-09-2007, 07:34 PM	#15
AngieDoogles Donating 4WT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,509	WOW! How scary and exciting! Good luck keeping up with all those pups Tink! __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." ~MT

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