Are you a "Traditionalist" or a "secular-progressive"?

RLC12345678 · 11-06-2006, 07:34 AM

In his latest number one bestseller, Culture Warrior, Bill O'Reilly warns that America is in the midst of what he calls "a vicious culture war between two factions." He says that the war is between "traditionalists" and "secular-progressives."

Traditionalist, according to O'Reilly, believe that America is a noble nation, and that fundamentally, the founding fathers, based on Judeo Christian philosophy—not religion, but philosophy—fundamentally, America has risen to be the strongest country that civilization has ever seen. America has given opportunity to more people than anyone else in the world, and we've freed billions of people and spent blood and treasure doing it. These are called Traditionalists.

On the other hand, Secular-progressives say, "No. We're a flawed society. Deeply flawed. We need changes in every area. Social, Economic, and Foreign policy."

So, which are you? Take this quiz and discuss your results.

http://www.billoreilly.com/quiz?acti...ity/cwtest.jsp

Ponyup · 11-06-2006, 10:03 AM

I'm a traditionalist, which I figured I was.

I voted "no" on all except for the one about the US being a good influence on other countries. I feel the US oversteps it's bounds. I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but they have to want help, we shouldn't force our views on others.

I definitely think that parents should be notified if their underage daughters are having abortions. I didn't even know that minors could have abortions without a parents consent that totally blows my mind.

On gay marriages I have no problem with gays, I just fear that same sex couples would get married to get the benefits awarded to married couples without really being in a relationship.

RLC12345678 · 11-06-2006, 11:12 AM

I am also a traditionalist, and I knew I was. I agree with Bill O'Reilly on almost everything he stands for.

I voted NO on all except "Do you think suspected terrorists captured overseas are entitled to Geneva Convention protections-that is, the same rights that military people are afforded?" I said YES because it says "suspected" terrorists. Innocent until proven guilty, I guess, is my philosophy.

Like you, I have no problem at all with homosexuals. I actually have friends that are gay. But like you, I wouldn't want people getting married simply for the benefits, if they claim they are in a relationship but actually are not.

I cannot fathom how people would think it would be okay for a minor to have an abortion without a parent's concent. Currently, that is how the law stands. Some states say that a parent has to be "notified," but don't require consent. Some states don't require notification OR consent.

Lindsey · 11-07-2006, 05:42 AM

Just wondering about your views on gays getting married for benefits... Does this not happen for straight people too? No matter their sexual orientation, people do not have less morals just because they are homosexual. Two straight people are just as likely to have a false marriage as two gay people. I'm not trying to start anything here, but I just thought it was interesting.

Willow · 11-07-2006, 05:38 PM

Traditional here, but I knew that already.

Honestly, I do not have a problem with gays as long as they keep it to themselves. I do not believe they should get married just simply because I believe marraige is between a man and a woman. A man and a woman are compatible, can reproduce themselves, and fit like two pieces of a puzzle when they have found their match. Gays have to buy attachments or use other orafices and cannot reproduce with out medical procedures to impregnant themselves or by finding someone to have a baby for them. That is not natural and I will never accept it as natural and that is my view.

Marilyn · 11-07-2006, 05:54 PM

I'm not sure 5 questions is sufficient to truly define who is or is not a traditionalist. I seldom agree with Bill O'Reilly or anyone who is an extremist whether it is to the left or the right. I'm fundamentally an independent who agrees with the Republicans on moral issues, but favors the Democrats when it comes to Big Business and special interests. I'm tired of the decisions with regard to what is or is not good for us being made by Big Business interests who really don't care about us ordinary middle and working class folks.

Tink · 11-08-2006, 07:33 PM

Mine stated that:
Based on the answers you gave...
You have some traditional beliefs, but have not committed to either side.

I think it's high time that gays have the same rights that other partners do. I had a friend since jr high who was gay and when he and his partner of over 23 years had any kind of health issue, the other had NO say in what was done or NOT done for them medically. I felt that was absolutely wrong. As for people abusing the system, I realize it happens and this would be just another area for that possibility, but I feel it's no more apt to happen in this situation than with hetrosexuals.

If it were my child having an abortion, I absolutely would want to know. If they can't pierce their ears without my permission, they sure shouldn't be able to have an abortion without it!

I do feel the US is a great nation. Sure we have problems and imperfections, but at least we have the freedom to say that without being locked up or killed for it! We have so many things that others don't because of where we live that I don't see any other country I'd rather live in. Being born here, I AM biased, but my ancestors came here from Norway just over 100 yrs ago and you can be sure they didn't come because life was so ideal there.

I'm of the mind that no country is perfect, but at least we have the chance to change the things we don't like if we truly put forth the effort. So call me an Independant... lol I know I've been called worse.

Lindsey · 11-08-2006, 07:47 PM

I agree with you, Tink. My cousin is gay, and after dating men to make her family happy, she couldn't take it anymore and found a woman that she is in love with. They are getting married next summer. With all the scrutiny that gays face in society, I think it's time that they are seen as people with the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Not long ago, white men were the only ones considered real people. Women and people of other ethnicities weren't equal. Today most people can see how wrong that was, and hopefully in the future people will change their mindsets on homosexuality too.

Janet · 11-10-2006, 05:53 AM

I just took the test and well, it says I can't commit to either side...LOL Is that bad? I guess it just goes to show that I try really hard to see both sides of everything. Maybe one day I'll be able to get off the fence and pick one side.

Tink · 11-11-2006, 02:24 PM

**Just enjoying sitting here on the fence with Janet**

Teeheehee at least I'm in good company!

khardy57 · 11-11-2006, 02:34 PM

I'm on the fence too!

Janet · 11-11-2006, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tink

**Just enjoying sitting here on the fence with Janet**

Teeheehee at least I'm in good company!

You have got to be the sweetest!!! Just be careful ya don't straddle it...LOL that could hurt!!!

Tink · 11-11-2006, 03:52 PM

___(_,_)(_,_)(_._)_

Sitting on the fence with my buddies!

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that we're all "mature" and know our own minds now? I find I'm less influenced by others ideas the older I get and suspect others might feel the same. This lets me decide things on a more case-by-case basis rather than worry about fitting someone elses idea of what I should think.

Janet · 11-11-2006, 04:09 PM

Oh definitely!! I use to worry so much what other people thought in every situation imaginable. But the older I get, I make my own decisions and usually don't even ask for advice. Now there are times, but I just feel more confident as I get older.

When I was younger and made mistakes it was embarrassing, pretty soon I can attribute it to old age....ha ha ha

11-06-2006, 07:34 AM	#1
RLC12345678 4WT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,614	Are you a "Traditionalist" or a "secular-progressive"? In his latest number one bestseller, Culture Warrior, Bill O'Reilly warns that America is in the midst of what he calls "a vicious culture war between two factions." He says that the war is between "traditionalists" and "secular-progressives." Traditionalist, according to O'Reilly, believe that America is a noble nation, and that fundamentally, the founding fathers, based on Judeo Christian philosophy—not religion, but philosophy—fundamentally, America has risen to be the strongest country that civilization has ever seen. America has given opportunity to more people than anyone else in the world, and we've freed billions of people and spent blood and treasure doing it. These are called Traditionalists. On the other hand, Secular-progressives say, "No. We're a flawed society. Deeply flawed. We need changes in every area. Social, Economic, and Foreign policy." So, which are you? Take this quiz and discuss your results. http://www.billoreilly.com/quiz?acti...ity/cwtest.jsp __________________ Rebecca "To whom much is given, much is expected." ~Luke 12:48

11-06-2006, 11:12 AM	#3
RLC12345678 4WT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,614	I am also a traditionalist, and I knew I was. I agree with Bill O'Reilly on almost everything he stands for. I voted NO on all except "Do you think suspected terrorists captured overseas are entitled to Geneva Convention protections-that is, the same rights that military people are afforded?" I said YES because it says "suspected" terrorists. Innocent until proven guilty, I guess, is my philosophy. Like you, I have no problem at all with homosexuals. I actually have friends that are gay. But like you, I wouldn't want people getting married simply for the benefits, if they claim they are in a relationship but actually are not. I cannot fathom how people would think it would be okay for a minor to have an abortion without a parent's concent. Currently, that is how the law stands. Some states say that a parent has to be "notified," but don't require consent. Some states don't require notification OR consent. __________________ Rebecca "To whom much is given, much is expected." ~Luke 12:48

11-07-2006, 05:42 AM	#4
Lindsey Donating 4WT Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,764	Just wondering about your views on gays getting married for benefits... Does this not happen for straight people too? No matter their sexual orientation, people do not have less morals just because they are homosexual. Two straight people are just as likely to have a false marriage as two gay people. I'm not trying to start anything here, but I just thought it was interesting. __________________ Lindsey "I don't mind living in a man's world as long as I can be a woman in it..." -Marilyn Monroe

11-07-2006, 05:54 PM	#6
Marilyn Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 4,907	I'm not sure 5 questions is sufficient to truly define who is or is not a traditionalist. I seldom agree with Bill O'Reilly or anyone who is an extremist whether it is to the left or the right. I'm fundamentally an independent who agrees with the Republicans on moral issues, but favors the Democrats when it comes to Big Business and special interests. I'm tired of the decisions with regard to what is or is not good for us being made by Big Business interests who really don't care about us ordinary middle and working class folks. __________________ Marilyn If anyone would like a free Bible Study CD or book entitled "Searching for Truth", PM me with your mailing address and I'll send you one. "And you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." John 8:32

11-08-2006, 07:33 PM	#7
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	Mine stated that: Based on the answers you gave... You have some traditional beliefs, but have not committed to either side. I think it's high time that gays have the same rights that other partners do. I had a friend since jr high who was gay and when he and his partner of over 23 years had any kind of health issue, the other had NO say in what was done or NOT done for them medically. I felt that was absolutely wrong. As for people abusing the system, I realize it happens and this would be just another area for that possibility, but I feel it's no more apt to happen in this situation than with hetrosexuals. If it were my child having an abortion, I absolutely would want to know. If they can't pierce their ears without my permission, they sure shouldn't be able to have an abortion without it! I do feel the US is a great nation. Sure we have problems and imperfections, but at least we have the freedom to say that without being locked up or killed for it! We have so many things that others don't because of where we live that I don't see any other country I'd rather live in. Being born here, I AM biased, but my ancestors came here from Norway just over 100 yrs ago and you can be sure they didn't come because life was so ideal there. I'm of the mind that no country is perfect, but at least we have the chance to change the things we don't like if we truly put forth the effort. So call me an Independant... lol I know I've been called worse. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

11-06-2006, 10:03 AM	#2
Ponyup Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 659	I'm a traditionalist, which I figured I was. I voted "no" on all except for the one about the US being a good influence on other countries. I feel the US oversteps it's bounds. I'm all for helping the less fortunate, but they have to want help, we shouldn't force our views on others. I definitely think that parents should be notified if their underage daughters are having abortions. I didn't even know that minors could have abortions without a parents consent that totally blows my mind. On gay marriages I have no problem with gays, I just fear that same sex couples would get married to get the benefits awarded to married couples without really being in a relationship.

11-07-2006, 05:38 PM	#5
Willow Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 258	Traditional here, but I knew that already. Honestly, I do not have a problem with gays as long as they keep it to themselves. I do not believe they should get married just simply because I believe marraige is between a man and a woman. A man and a woman are compatible, can reproduce themselves, and fit like two pieces of a puzzle when they have found their match. Gays have to buy attachments or use other orafices and cannot reproduce with out medical procedures to impregnant themselves or by finding someone to have a baby for them. That is not natural and I will never accept it as natural and that is my view.

11-08-2006, 07:47 PM	#8
Lindsey Donating 4WT Talker Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,764	I agree with you, Tink. My cousin is gay, and after dating men to make her family happy, she couldn't take it anymore and found a woman that she is in love with. They are getting married next summer. With all the scrutiny that gays face in society, I think it's time that they are seen as people with the same rights and freedoms as everyone else. Not long ago, white men were the only ones considered real people. Women and people of other ethnicities weren't equal. Today most people can see how wrong that was, and hopefully in the future people will change their mindsets on homosexuality too. __________________ Lindsey "I don't mind living in a man's world as long as I can be a woman in it..." -Marilyn Monroe

11-10-2006, 05:53 AM	#9
Janet Moderator Donating 4WT 18K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: INDIANA Posts: 21,625	I just took the test and well, it says I can't commit to either side...LOL Is that bad? I guess it just goes to show that I try really hard to see both sides of everything. Maybe one day I'll be able to get off the fence and pick one side. __________________ To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. ECCLESIASTES 3:1

11-11-2006, 02:24 PM	#10
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	Just enjoying sitting here on the fence with Janet Teeheehee at least I'm in good company! __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

11-11-2006, 02:34 PM	#11
khardy57 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 278	I'm on the fence too!

11-11-2006, 03:52 PM	#13
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	___(_,_)(_,_)(_._)_ Sitting on the fence with my buddies! Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that we're all "mature" and know our own minds now? I find I'm less influenced by others ideas the older I get and suspect others might feel the same. This lets me decide things on a more case-by-case basis rather than worry about fitting someone elses idea of what I should think. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair'

11-11-2006, 04:09 PM	#14
Janet Moderator Donating 4WT 18K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: INDIANA Posts: 21,625	Oh definitely!! I use to worry so much what other people thought in every situation imaginable. But the older I get, I make my own decisions and usually don't even ask for advice. Now there are times, but I just feel more confident as I get older. When I was younger and made mistakes it was embarrassing, pretty soon I can attribute it to old age....ha ha ha __________________ To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. ECCLESIASTES 3:1

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