2.5 weeks to go

pearl · 03-31-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tink

and in my mind HD is something at least the dog can still live with... many of these other issues they can't.

forgot to add, actually they can be quite disabled and in a lot of pain from dysplasia, and hip replacement surgery to take care of it costs thousands of $$. so...it's a real debility to live with.

03-31-2008, 08:08 AM

Pearl, I agree with you 100%. It CAN be crippling. I know this personally, because one of my co-workers has a poorly bred lab. She has spent TONS of money dealing with it. Her poor boy was so bad, he had to have surgery on both hips by the time he was 2 years old. Yes, it's unusual for it to be that bad at that young an age, but it shows what can happen.

Yes, it's true that a dog can have excellent rated hips and still give birth to a dysplatic pup. But why take the chance? I think it's pretty rare for this to happen. It can also happen that a dog rated poor can have a pup with good hips. Again, why take the chance?

I own brittanys. They are a sporting breed, but smaller than a lab. As such, they are prone to dysplasia, although it is not as common. When I bought each of my pups, I also researched a ton, and one of the things I was very careful to look for was a breeder who both showed AND did OFA testing. Both of my pups come from a champion blood line, the dogs are shown in AKC and also field trials and hunt trials. I have a pedigree several generations back. Does this guarantee they will have no health problems? Of course not. But it DOES give me peace of mind, knowing that each breeder did everything possible to protect the health of both the parents AND the puppies.

Tink · 03-31-2008, 08:49 AM

Breeding hybrids puts me in a unique position. I have people telling me that my dogs are just mutts and totally worthless and I have people telling me that I am obligated to offer a lifetime guarantee on their health. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree and get on with it.

Thank goodness the 23 people on my puppy waiting list seem to feel confident that I do the best I can for my dogs.

Janet · 03-31-2008, 09:56 AM

I think it's great that we can talk about anything on this 4women forum, even our dogs or other pets. BUT I personally think it would be more appropriate to discuss genetics..etc. on a DOG forum for that specific breed.

DianaB · 03-31-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Janet

I think it's great that we can talk about anything on this 4women forum, even our dogs or other pets. BUT I personally think it would be more appropriate to discuss genetics..etc. on a DOG forum for that specific breed.

I agree!!!!

katcarasella · 03-31-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Janet

I think it's great that we can talk about anything on this 4women forum, even our dogs or other pets. BUT I personally think it would be more appropriate to discuss genetics..etc. on a DOG forum for that specific breed.

I Agree Also!!!

03-31-2008, 05:33 PM

Maybe this isn't so much a discussion of "genetics" as it is trying to educate people on what to look for when researching buying a puppy. If people don't know what to ask, how are they to find out? What is wrong with talking about problems people have had when buying pups and NOT doing research? What is wrong with talking about potential things that can go wrong? Ideally, buying a puppy is more than just looking in the newspaper and calling the first ad you see for the breed you want. Problems don't just go away by pretending there isn't a problem.

I didn't see anyone slamming Tink for what she is doing. Personally, I was just asking questions. If you don't ask-you don't learn.

Dobie · 03-31-2008, 05:46 PM

I think the thing that bothers me about some mixed breed dog breeders (I'm not directing this at you Tink, more the puppy mills out there) is that the breeders represent these dogs as purebred animals to the uneducated buyer.

I can't tell you the number of people I have run into who say they have a "Purebred" puggle or maltipoo.

Best of luck with the puppies, hope all goes well with the delivery. You said she's an experienced mother, so I'm sure everything will be fine.

03-31-2008, 06:36 PM

I was going to stay out this one as I know nothing about breeding and genetics.

But I do have to say that I find it concerning that someone made a thread about their dog, and members talked freely about it, along with breeding practices and other issues pertaining to pet ownership.....But when people started asking questions that could be construed as debatable, it was suggested that maybe those comments should be talked about on a dog forum.

To a new member like myself, that comes across very confusing because the original thread was about dogs and breeding, so it's assumed that any responses pertaining to that subject would be allowed?

I am a member of several forums where people disagree all the time, but it never causes discourse or hurt feelings because the members are very mature about it. I think the same could be said for this thread. I don't think it should be censored just because there is a difference of opinions. Questioning things is the best way to learn, I think. As long as both parties are respectful of others, I don't see any harm in debatable threads.

But good luck with your puppies Tink! I've only ever seen one labradoodle before at a petshop, and she was a really friendly dog, loved my kids

Janet · 04-01-2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by catlover

Maybe this isn't so much a discussion of "genetics" as it is trying to educate people on what to look for when researching buying a puppy. If people don't know what to ask, how are they to find out? What is wrong with talking about problems people have had when buying pups and NOT doing research? What is wrong with talking about potential things that can go wrong? Ideally, buying a puppy is more than just looking in the newspaper and calling the first ad you see for the breed you want. Problems don't just go away by pretending there isn't a problem.

I didn't see anyone slamming Tink for what she is doing. Personally, I was just asking questions. If you don't ask-you don't learn.

Up until the 14th post...the discussion was a celebration of sorts about the birth of Canada's litter. Then it became questions on breeding practices...full blooded..etc.

I'm not speaking for anyone else but myself, but I personally thought that if anyone wanted more information on this, a dog forum would be a better place to get it.

There are so many dog forums out there and that's where those type of discussions belong. That is why so many of us come here (that belong to other dog forums) so we do not have to deal with being interrogated and opinions being shoved in our directions when opinions were not asked for in the first place.

I sincerely hope this post doesn't sound like I'm pointing fingers or anything like that, definitely not my intent. We've just all silently agreed not to judge or condem anyone for their beliefs on any topic. We're all individuals and no one will agree on everything. We've even wrote about politics here, but not once did anyone's feeling get hurt or feel they were being judged by who they were wanting to vote for. We'd just like to keep it that way.

04-01-2008, 01:07 PM

But for us new members, we were not aware of this way of posting ya'll have. I don't speak for everyone, but I think if we would have known that, no one would have said anything. Breeding and genetics do go hand in hand, and the thread was about breeding, so I can understand how someone could innocently bring up something pertaining to it.

I guess I just see it as a double standard. Like for example, say someone started a thread that said, "I'm voting for Obama, he's the best person in the world and I think he would make a good president" and numerous responses after it agreed with the OP. But then someone said, "I'm sorry, I don't agree. McCain is the best, and he should be the president". And all of a sudden, the person whose views were different from everyone else's was told that they needed to take their views to a political forum, as it was not appropriate for the forum it was on. Isn't that a form of censoring someone's opinion? I can certainly understand if a remark was rude or offensive, but if someone merely states their opinion, I guess I just don't see why their comment carries less weight then everyone else's.

Sorry for stepping on any toes. Just trying to understand how everything works...

pope1982 · 04-01-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Janet

"not once did anyone's feeling get hurt or feel they were being judged by who they were wanting to vote for. We'd just like to keep it that way.

"

Friends are allowed to disagree and even have hurt feelings. We all have our days... Communication and forgiveness is key if it is a TRUE relationship worth anything. My friends and I are always honest with one another.
It is hard to understand feelings and tones through typed words...

I will not censor myself for fear of hurting any and every one's feelings. I like to think I am a nice person, and if someone has a problem with something I said, I'd definitely like to know.
We are adults, have dealt with much more in life than some typed words, differences in opinion or questions. It can all be dealt with on the board, or in private

03-31-2008, 08:49 AM	#3
Tink Donating 4WT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rural Wisconsin Posts: 3,707	Breeding hybrids puts me in a unique position. I have people telling me that my dogs are just mutts and totally worthless and I have people telling me that I am obligated to offer a lifetime guarantee on their health. Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree and get on with it. Thank goodness the 23 people on my puppy waiting list seem to feel confident that I do the best I can for my dogs. __________________ 'A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in.. And how many want out.' England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair' Last edited by Tink; 03-31-2008 at 08:53 AM.

03-31-2008, 09:56 AM	#4
Janet Moderator Donating 4WT 18K Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: INDIANA Posts: 21,625	I think it's great that we can talk about anything on this 4women forum, even our dogs or other pets. BUT I personally think it would be more appropriate to discuss genetics..etc. on a DOG forum for that specific breed. __________________ To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. ECCLESIASTES 3:1

03-31-2008, 08:08 AM	#2
catlover Guest Posts: n/a	Pearl, I agree with you 100%. It CAN be crippling. I know this personally, because one of my co-workers has a poorly bred lab. She has spent TONS of money dealing with it. Her poor boy was so bad, he had to have surgery on both hips by the time he was 2 years old. Yes, it's unusual for it to be that bad at that young an age, but it shows what can happen. Yes, it's true that a dog can have excellent rated hips and still give birth to a dysplatic pup. But why take the chance? I think it's pretty rare for this to happen. It can also happen that a dog rated poor can have a pup with good hips. Again, why take the chance? I own brittanys. They are a sporting breed, but smaller than a lab. As such, they are prone to dysplasia, although it is not as common. When I bought each of my pups, I also researched a ton, and one of the things I was very careful to look for was a breeder who both showed AND did OFA testing. Both of my pups come from a champion blood line, the dogs are shown in AKC and also field trials and hunt trials. I have a pedigree several generations back. Does this guarantee they will have no health problems? Of course not. But it DOES give me peace of mind, knowing that each breeder did everything possible to protect the health of both the parents AND the puppies.

03-31-2008, 05:33 PM	#7
catlover Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe this isn't so much a discussion of "genetics" as it is trying to educate people on what to look for when researching buying a puppy. If people don't know what to ask, how are they to find out? What is wrong with talking about problems people have had when buying pups and NOT doing research? What is wrong with talking about potential things that can go wrong? Ideally, buying a puppy is more than just looking in the newspaper and calling the first ad you see for the breed you want. Problems don't just go away by pretending there isn't a problem. I didn't see anyone slamming Tink for what she is doing. Personally, I was just asking questions. If you don't ask-you don't learn.

03-31-2008, 05:46 PM	#8
Dobie Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,075	I think the thing that bothers me about some mixed breed dog breeders (I'm not directing this at you Tink, more the puppy mills out there) is that the breeders represent these dogs as purebred animals to the uneducated buyer. I can't tell you the number of people I have run into who say they have a "Purebred" puggle or maltipoo. Best of luck with the puppies, hope all goes well with the delivery. You said she's an experienced mother, so I'm sure everything will be fine.

03-31-2008, 06:36 PM	#9
Gwen Guest Posts: n/a	I was going to stay out this one as I know nothing about breeding and genetics. But I do have to say that I find it concerning that someone made a thread about their dog, and members talked freely about it, along with breeding practices and other issues pertaining to pet ownership.....But when people started asking questions that could be construed as debatable, it was suggested that maybe those comments should be talked about on a dog forum. To a new member like myself, that comes across very confusing because the original thread was about dogs and breeding, so it's assumed that any responses pertaining to that subject would be allowed? I am a member of several forums where people disagree all the time, but it never causes discourse or hurt feelings because the members are very mature about it. I think the same could be said for this thread. I don't think it should be censored just because there is a difference of opinions. Questioning things is the best way to learn, I think. As long as both parties are respectful of others, I don't see any harm in debatable threads. But good luck with your puppies Tink! I've only ever seen one labradoodle before at a petshop, and she was a really friendly dog, loved my kids

04-01-2008, 01:07 PM	#11
Gwen Guest Posts: n/a	But for us new members, we were not aware of this way of posting ya'll have. I don't speak for everyone, but I think if we would have known that, no one would have said anything. Breeding and genetics do go hand in hand, and the thread was about breeding, so I can understand how someone could innocently bring up something pertaining to it. I guess I just see it as a double standard. Like for example, say someone started a thread that said, "I'm voting for Obama, he's the best person in the world and I think he would make a good president" and numerous responses after it agreed with the OP. But then someone said, "I'm sorry, I don't agree. McCain is the best, and he should be the president". And all of a sudden, the person whose views were different from everyone else's was told that they needed to take their views to a political forum, as it was not appropriate for the forum it was on. Isn't that a form of censoring someone's opinion? I can certainly understand if a remark was rude or offensive, but if someone merely states their opinion, I guess I just don't see why their comment carries less weight then everyone else's. Sorry for stepping on any toes. Just trying to understand how everything works...

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